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Oathbound
« on: April 19, 2008, 08:14:08 pm »
I think this will fit under “The Law” so here goes…

I don’t quite understand this.  Maybe it’s because I do not belong to a specific tradition? 

Is it like a Freemason that can not reveal what they actually do or what it’s all about? 
Why is some traditions oathbound and others not?

If you follow British Traditional Witchcraft (or Gardnerian Wicca) the names of their God and Goddess are oathbound and not released to anyone that is not an initiate.
Also other traditions like the Feri tradition is also oathbound and it’s hard to get more info on them too.

It’s kind of frustrating, it’s like I can not really get to know a certain tradition because there’s stuff that’s oathbound and not available for the general plain Jane like me.

Does being in an oathbound tradition make you more of an authentic Wiccan / Witch?  Hey, they know stuff that I’ll never know. 
What is the exact reason behind it?  I might be wrong, but is it perhaps like a “copyright” on their beliefs, rituals and spells to make their tradition unique and exclusive?
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Re: Oathbound
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2008, 09:10:26 pm »
It does make sense to hide some rituals (they could be used to cause harm) but I simply don't get why they hide their Gods...

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Re: Oathbound
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2008, 03:42:53 am »
Interesting point. @Bee, do you let everybody read your B.o.S? Also I think it stems from the burning times and was purely for safety reasons. Taking a specific path allows a certain "exclusivity" I think and not so much copyright, but more of copycat.

It may be frustrating but remember, when the student is ready, the teacher will appear.  :p :p
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Re: Oathbound
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2008, 07:08:00 am »
It may be frustrating but remember, when the student is ready, the teacher will appear.  :p :p

Lol, funny you should say that… I found this link about the Feri Tradition http://www.feritradition.org/
Very informative and I can actually kinda make out what it’s about! 
Just shows you, just because someone told you that you’d never get any info on something because it’s oathbound… look up on it anyway!
I’m sure there’s loads of information that’s still not available, but hey, it’s a start!
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Re: Oathbound
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2008, 07:52:28 am »
Wiccans tend to be against secrets. Most Wiccans are against secret lists of banned web sites in Internet monitoring software and against secret decision making in government. Most Wiccans know that too much secrecy can easily be used to cover up things that would fare very poorly if exposed to public scrutiny, such as blocking access to Pagan web sites while claiming to only block porn and hate sites.

Unfortunately, some Wiccans do not practice what they preach when it comes to secrecy. While they condemn secrecy in others, they still maintain broad oaths of secrecy about their particular practices. While keeping most religious and magical material oathbound might have been necessary during the Burning Times or in England prior to the repeal of the laws against Witchcraft, I certainly see no need for it now -- at least in most "first world" countries. Names and addresses of group members, perhaps, but ritual information, no.

Those who insist that secrecy is necessary in Wicca generally use some common arguments to support their position. Oathbound  The term Oathbound refers to the Oath of secrecy regarding the "Secrets of the Art" which the Initiate swears during their Initiation. The concept of Initiaton, involving an Oath of secrecy, has always been a hallmark of the Pagan Mysteries, for example  the Mysteries of Isis and the Eleusinian Mysteries.


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Re: Oathbound
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2008, 09:24:09 am »
I sit on the other side of the fence and I believe greatly in oaths and silence, one of reasons cause I have little or no interest in having anyone else know about my beliefs or practices, they are mine and mine alone. Us ceremonial types are taught to blend in with society so to speak. The moment you make your self noticed you end up having to put out fires, instead of making your own.

My other big reason is that in this country there was a big satanism scare towards the end of the 80s, where a lot of us "satanists" got in a lot of trouble with the polices occult unit and the infamous kobus jonker, and I got caught up in it, it caused a lot of problems for me, and the reason we got in so much trouble...people in our group could not keep their mouths shut. I have never forgiven the persons who squealed on us and never will, but enough of me ranting.

I would never "come to the closet" so to speak, first off as I'm bound by oath and secondly I don't see the point its not going to aid my development in any way.

An oath insures that you can peruse The Great Work and not have to worry about, someone in you group blabbing their mouth off about what you have been up to, to break a magicak oath is a very serious thing.

We had a similar discussion a few months ago about something similar.

http://forums.wayoftherede.com/index.php/topic,1001.0.html

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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2008, 09:56:52 am »
I am on the opposite of the fence to Frater  :lol: I don't believe in secrecy or in hiding what I am... in fact I beleieve in the opposite and that is why I am currently part of the initiation, (different type of initiation, lol), a mass public awareness campaign on Paganism. I am an 'out there' and 'in your face' Witch with 2 particular bandwagons: 1) Educating the public, (the publicity campaign) and 2) Networking ALL Pagans, we stand a better chance of being accepted if we have the numbers, (there is power in numbers). Also, where do newbies turn if everyone is hiding? How do those, especially those without internet, find others of like mind if no-one is visible? How do those seeking teachers fgind them if the teachers are all hiding? Yes, it is said your teacher will find you, but if everyone is keeping to themselves and hiding, how is that possible? How many struggling solitary Witches are there, craving for the company of like minded people, (I have had a few very relieved people finding me... so glad to find others... and when I started out I was incredibly ecstatic when I found others like me), and searching for a teacher/guide?
I have found my calling in my bandwagons and in teaching/guiding/mentoring.... I hated being a solitary!!! (I am a social butterfly, lol).

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Re: Oathbound
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2008, 10:11:50 am »
I can see the benefits on both sides of this, but personally, I don't like the idea of hiding information. Hiding who (or what) you are, I can definately see the need for in some instances, I know that from experience. If I meet like minded people who are interested in the same things I am, I am only too willing to have someone to share with.

With regard to this:
Does being in an oathbound tradition make you more of an authentic Wiccan / Witch? 
, I don't think being in an oathbound tradition makes you a better witch, you are a better witch by living what you are (even if in hiding).

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Re: Oathbound
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2008, 10:43:23 am »
I dont think anyone is a 'better' Witch by any reasoning... A Witch is what you ARE, it is BEING.

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Re: Oathbound
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2008, 04:23:52 pm »
And I end up seeing both sides...

Secrecy is necessary due to people's ignorance, but people's ignorance is due to lack of education through great secrecy.

I feel that certain parts of my religion are for me alone (or the coven, as the case may be), but these generally deal with my own personal workings, and the results of my research into the god/ess/s/esses.
I think perhaps that the basis/foundation of Wicca should be made known to the public - the laws and the rede - so that they might better understand our ethos. But the more esoteric teachings are perhaps better suited to initiates/acolytes only. (Just as the study of Einstein's theorems are best left to Mathematics and Physics graduates.)

Basically: what have we got to hide or be ashamed of? We live now in a new era.
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Re: Oathbound
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2008, 04:45:50 pm »
I do believe that certain rituals etc within a Tradition must be kept "secret". Perhaps the person looking for the information may not be ready to actually experience it?

Whetehr you belong to a Tradition or not does not make you any less of a Witch.


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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2008, 09:23:35 am »
I do believe that certain rituals etc within a Tradition must be kept "secret". Perhaps the person looking for the information may not be ready to actually experience it?

What I said.  :biggrin: :imwithstupid:

Belonging to a particular tradition just says what sort of witch you are. I feel that being a solitary witch is a tradition in and of itself.  :smile: (But that might just be because I'm solitary)
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Re: Oathbound
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2008, 09:27:18 pm »
I can fully understand Frater's point. One big thing, what I believe in and practice is private. - Period. On the other hand, exchanging information, under circumstances like this forum, is special and beneficial to all who read this, and in a sense we are educating ourselves and others in the process. So there is no right or wrong. Just balance.  :blush:

I mean if one of your rituals went  wrong and you accidently open a hole in the Ozone layer, youre not going to blabber...
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Re: Oathbound
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2008, 09:32:19 pm »
i reall do agree there...
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2008, 06:46:48 am »
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youre not going to blabber...
- methinks you're not cut out to be a politician!

Call me a fence-sitter - I can also see both sides. I seem to recall a saying "once bitten, twice shy" - what others don't know can't be used against you. A secret is only a secret as long as one person knows it. My one aunt used to say that she never lied to my uncle - she just didn't necessarily tell him everything. Let's face it, if you go to the pub & there's a stripper there - when asked, do you tell your wife you went to the pub or do you blabber about the stripper and  :censor:.....I don't think so..... :reallyangry:

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